SPEAKER_01 0:00

Hey everybody, this is Ten Free Posters with Jerem and Jay. Conversations after the show. I'm your host, Jeremy Kareth. And with me always is my co-host, Jay Heikela.

SPEAKER_00 0:11

Jay. Jeremy, it's great to be here with you as always. I'm so excited to be doing our second podcast here. Me too, man. Oh, I forgot to crack my beer.

SPEAKER_01 0:25

Did you crack yours? I did crack my beer. Ooh, I'm gonna get this on. I did crack my beer. I'm gonna get this on audio. Let's see it. Ooh. That sounded delish. Yeah. So by the way, uh everybody, I am drinking a Heavy Riff St. Louis lager. Old St. Lou. Uh premium lager from Heavy Riff Brewing here in St. Louis. So what about you two?

SPEAKER_00 0:52

Uh proudly, once again, I will I will will what's the word I'm trying to say? Um pimp is what I'm trying to use. But that's not the word I want to use. Um I wanna uh I wanna give a shout out to Iron Hops Brewing um for seizing the day for Carpe Diem logger. And here we are. Well what what is tonight's what are we talking about?

SPEAKER_01 1:17

Tonight, Jay, we're talking about Santana and the Doobie Brothers. They played at the Hollywood Casino and Amphitheater in Maryland Heights uh on June 20th, 2026, this year. It was a fun summer night show. So let's talk about it. Why why did we choose to go see Santana?

SPEAKER_00 1:35

Well, you know, I think s we we wanted to see, you know, Santana's a mus is a guitar god. He's I think eighty, maybe eighty years old, somewhere around there. Um just a chance to see him and having never seen him before, um, sign me up, you know. Um, and that you know the tickets weren't that expensive either, you know, uh which always makes that easier. Certainly better to absorb the $22 beers you're gonna buy at the show. That's true. Oh my gosh. Yeah. But um, but uh, you know, and then them playing with the Doobie Brothers. Um, um, you know, Doobie Brothers are one of those bands that my you know uh there's a there's a handful that um that I remember growing up, you know, that m that were on my parents probably more on the with the Doobie Brothers, more specifically my dad, you know, but constant playlist just curious, Jay, not to throw you too off track because I I noticed that you were trying to put it to some type of device, right?

SPEAKER_01 2:39

Like do you put it on say recording?

SPEAKER_00 2:42

You're totally right. It was but so I said playlist, but it was eight-track. Wow, eight serious shit, man. Eight-track dad had an eight-track like player in the garage hooked up to speakers, and he had like maybe thirty different eight-tracks, you know, and eventually it moved to cassettes, you know. Um but uh the doobie brothers were always kind of burned in, and so seeing them last summer uh at the same place to see them again with Santana? Hell yeah, dude.

SPEAKER_01 3:18

You know, man, when you mentioned um you know, A-Tracks, it just had me thinking about our ages. And I'm like I was born in 79 and you were born in I was gonna say I was born in 77.

SPEAKER_00 3:33

Yeah. You know, so um one thing that's never escaped me, unfortunately, is that I was born at the height of disco. And I bring this up because this is the very first time that I heard Santana Jeremy. I went to Cracker Barrel with my parents probably in the early 90s, you know, when I was in maybe 14 years old or something like that. And yum, you know, I I was like that's when I was discovering music. And my dad got me uh in Cracker Barrel, they have those that cheesy country store. Yep. If you know what I'm talking about. Oh yeah. And they they have and they might even still have this for all I know. They had these this little section of like and they had like books that was like this was the the the year you were born. Yeah. And it and and and you know, the little books would have like the ads that were famous, you know, the year you were born or whatever. Uh, but they they had a CD that had all the the big the top ten songs. And maybe or the top or some of the top twenty songs of the year you were born. And so my dad got me this CD, so it's 1977, and most of it is shitty disco. But there's a couple songs in there. Blackbetty, um, from uh Ram Jam. Ram Jam, thank you, thank you, yes. Um, and again, there's a couple other songs on this 1977 Greatest Hits CD from Cracker Barrel. But the one that I loved and and and would play over and over is She's Not There by Santana. And it's still my favorite Santana song, even though if you like if you bring up like um Apple playlist, it will be you know, like number twenty, you know. Yeah. Yeah on the playlist, which I'm like always like, what do you mean? It's one of his best songs, you know. Um but it was up against that disco. So that's probably why. You know. But uh but yeah, so that was my that is my you know first really time hearing Santana, you know. And then I think like a lot of people of of maybe my age and your age too, is he was fortunate enough to have a resurgence in the late 90s, early 2000s with um uh what is that, Supernatural, yeah, you know, where he paired a lot with like Rob Thomas for uh a couple of those songs. Um and um you know, and I think endeared himself to a whole new generation, you know.

SPEAKER_01 6:29

Yes. I think that was to me like one of the one of the things that I love about him as a musician is that he works with these other artists. He he's like just symbiotic sort of relationship. Like he's not, you know, about taking over the show. He's like he has no ego. Yes, that yeah. I I I think that that's one of the biggest things. I think is just like he's very, you know, humble and like you can just see it and feel it kind of in the music. What do you think about um some of the stuff they played, like out of the stuff that you remember? Because I I I recall watching, you know, I I kind of sat back because of the way our seats were but so since we were on the wand, um we uh we didn't initially have chairs, but then I was like, oh you know, I was like, you know what? It's summertime.

SPEAKER_00 7:20

And thank you for that. I don't know how if you know I think I I I I had quite a bit to drink. But uh but I did I I believe I thanked you. So if I didn't thank you. Oh, you thank and my ass thanks you as well, Jeremy. Yes, everybody, everybody thanked me.

SPEAKER_01 7:37

So yeah, so songs. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:41

Yeah, you know, uh I'll I'll give you my my my my just kind of my um my impression. Um and it kind of sort kind of goes to what we were saying about um you know a lot of his songs, like you said, are are collaborations, you know. Where obviously he's out there just rocking it on guitar, but uh you know, but he'll partner with someone like Rob Thomas or again, maybe uh you know, numerous musical people.

SPEAKER_01 8:10

Um yeah, I mean, and even his drummer is his wife, uh Cindy Blackman.

SPEAKER_00 8:16

Oh, I didn't know that. I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_01 8:17

I don't know if he knew.

SPEAKER_00 8:18

Yeah, I saw her and they there was some close-ups, you know, showing her drumming. Um and I I didn't I did not know that though.

SPEAKER_01 8:27

So Yeah, the only reason I knew is because I saw the there was or I I was listening to a documentary about Lenny Kravitz, and then it talked about her and then Yeah, yeah, no, uh but uh but I was just gonna say that you know like um I enjoyed that there was there's the they they did play several songs um essentially instrumental, you know, where they're maybe normally would have had the the the someone singing.

SPEAKER_00 8:54

Oh yeah, yeah. You know, and they and they didn't, you know, and and it kind of just went through kind of like a jam of that, and I thought that was that was really cool. I I I wanted to know what you th uh more I wanted to know like your relationship with Santana, like like beyond even this show.

SPEAKER_01 9:15

Yeah, yeah. So my introduction to Santana, my dad would always put on rock and roll records. I I'd always remember it'd be like either Saturday or Sunday, whatever mood my my father was in, it'd be like, Alright, cleaning day, like we're gonna clean the shit out of the house. It'd be like, you know, my sister would be like, You're here's your list, you're doing uh the the vacuuming of every room, you're doing this, cleaning this, this, and this, and then my dad'd give me my list, you know, just raveling it off, and then we'd all go do it, and it'd be like put on, you know, different records, and it's like he'd put on Santana, and I just remember like, Oh you'll go move that. Yeah, and like I was doing the songs so when he and Rob Thomas got together and did the song Smooth, uh he did the song, and then like so it's kind of that realization that's like going back, uh you know, at that age it was based on whatever my dad had in his collection, because it was like I wasn't necessarily you know seeking out to listen to his type of that type of music, you know.

SPEAKER_00 10:20

True.

SPEAKER_01 10:20

Because it was like, oh my dad's got this stuff, so it's like he'd have his record collection and just pull that out and and listen to stuff. So but yeah, that was usually how through my father a lot of music was introduced, either doing activities, cleaning or doing stuff. But other stuff uh for me through for music. It was through my mom, like at different things like driving activity, driving us from one place to another.

SPEAKER_00 10:47

Into them as much. Was was your mom into Santana?

SPEAKER_01 10:51

No, my well, yeah, you know, I think she probably appreciated it, like that era of music, like the 70s and stuff. But yeah, she was she a hippie? No, no. Uh she was more of a uh like like she actually went into the military too.

SPEAKER_00 11:07

I was gonna say, I know your mom, and I don't she know hippie.

SPEAKER_01 11:11

No, no, she I I think she's a hippie at heart, but not not truly. Like, but her thing was the Beatles and like just um a lot of like like that era of music, Beach Boys and a lot of harmony type singing stuff. So to me, one of the things I loved about this show was just how beautiful it was out that night. We got so lucky with the weather and just out on the lawn, and you know, we had had they they had multiple TVs up around the the top half of the the stadium for the the folks out there and I was like just perfect.

SPEAKER_00 11:50

I think we've talked about the music a good amount. So let's let's talk about some posters here. So so why don't you can you tell us a little bit about that? So here why don't we try that again? Yeah, we'll just have a bit. So why don't you why don't you tell me a little bit more about your decision to make two different versions of the poster?

SPEAKER_01 12:15

So I never go into this like thinking I'm gonna make two until I'm in certain phases of when I'm doing certain parts of it, like whether I'm sketching or I'm doing the pencil work or the ink work. I'm I'm trying to think a little bit ahead, but not too far ahead. And so when it comes to the color, it's like my first instinct was this this whole design. I was like, okay, it's evening, it's night, it's like what's it gonna be like there? It's probably gonna be lights and flashing. And I was like, my first instinct was to go with like moonlight, stuff to you know, calm and relaxing. But then the more that I worked on it, I realized, you know what, I should try to do more of like a sunset type burst pattern. And that one ended up, you know, just working itself out too. And so sometimes, you know, as I'm working on stuff, I end up liking them both. And so in this case, I just decided I was like, you know what, I'm gonna I'm gonna print two versions this time. And so instead of giving out ten posters, I actually gave away twenty this time.

SPEAKER_00 13:22

Uh, you know, maybe to to to add on to that, well, I mean, what what was your inspiration? What was what what how did you get to the specific design of this poster?

SPEAKER_01 13:33

With this one, when one of the things I like to do is when I go grocery shopping, I'll put in my ear, you know, my airpods in my ear and just just bobbing through the store doing my thing, and uh I'll listen to a band, you know, in this case Santana. So I'm sitting there, I'm listening to him, I'm jamming out, and um I'm going down the paper aisle uh tissues, and I looked over and I said I saw a box of Kleenex that stood out to me so much that I was like, took a picture of that box of Kleenex standing in the store. I was like, I really like the way these patterns are moving, these shapes, not necessarily the colors. I did like a little bit of it, but so once I saw that, I kind of took that when I got home. Um, I started researching that kind of design pattern, and then I came across uh a Fillmore poster. And so this is a type of uh design that came out in the 60s, 1966. It's a psychedelic lettering style, so it really forced the readers to have to slow down to actually be able to read what it's saying. So um I was really inspired by that, and then that mixture of uh, you know, seeing that Kleenex box and being like, like, I'm gonna work this in. And so that and the motion, you know, that was a big thing. Like listening to Santana's music would say this need, you feel like kind of wanting to dance and like just groove. And so I think that was a lot of it. It was just like trying to make something that felt flowy and really had like that psychedelic um 1960s vibe to it. So, like Jay, what did you think?

SPEAKER_00 15:24

Oh, the posters? Um of the poster? Yeah, no, I thought it was great. Um, I what I noticed, um so it looked to me that at least on the more blue and purple poster, that you maybe printed it on a different paper. Um, or you used something that was a texture to it.

SPEAKER_01 15:49

Yeah, yeah. So it's on both of them. So you should see it on you'll see it on both of yours on there.

SPEAKER_00 15:55

So is that is that tell me more about that. Is that a different kind of paper?

SPEAKER_01 16:00

Yeah, so uh originally I wanted to do this print on like a foil type paper, meaning it it would be it would have been more of like a metallic sheen finish, almost like a mirror. And then the ink goes on on top of it, but it was just too too short of notice and a little bit uh out of my my budget range for this for this one. So what I actually did was it's a um sort of like a finishing lacquer type spray paint was here at Blick Art Supply Store here in St. Louis, and I was in there picking up some supplies, and I asked the lady behind the counter, I was just like, Hey, do you have like a you know a shiny, shimmery paint, something that leaves like a pearl effect? And they were like, Oh, we've got like this uh glitter type uh spray paint, and I was like, Yeah, I'll give it a shot. And so just giving a shot, sprayed it on there, see what it looks like, and it actually left a bit of like this sort of glimmery, shiny effect, and so I was really happy with the way that turned out.

SPEAKER_00 17:08

So what did you how did you feel uh uh with the giveaway this time?

SPEAKER_01 17:14

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:16

I'm curious.

SPEAKER_01 17:17

Yeah, I I mean I did not expect you know primus level of of people and and fans like seeking a poster as much, but I always do still feel very excited just to see the that surprise on people's faces when they're just like oh like it it's almost like a stunned look, like they can't believe themselves. And I love those ones, but I I do love the people that found find me too, like whether it's just for that specific show or it's you know have been following me. So yeah, it's a connection with those fans, and people, whether it's unexpected or somebody that was seeking me out, I'm like, that's awesome. Like that's a connection, it's this awesome moment. So, Jay, do you wanna um kind of tell everybody who who we're thinking about talking about next?

SPEAKER_00 18:12

Uh yes, Jeremy. I I think that we're we're we're gonna continue our our podcast here and can and talk about the uh wonderful band Guar. A band that everyone knows, you know, and loves or hates.

SPEAKER_01 18:27

Yeah. Next show we're gonna do GWAR.

SPEAKER_00 18:30

So indeed. Well, Jeremy, uh, you know, I I had uh a lot of fun tonight. Um, you know, uh but I look forward to the next show. I look forward not only to the next concert, but I look forward to our next podcast. Again, um we're talking about guar. Um, oh my god, talking about the bodily fluids, it's gonna be amazing. Personally, Jeremy, Jeremy, thank you. Um and thank all of you at home for listening to me drink beer with Jeremy.

SPEAKER_01 19:00

Yeah, thanks everybody for listening. We're uh like I said, we're gonna try to keep it interesting and just keep talking about shows and and uh keep it going. So talk to you later.

SPEAKER_00 19:10

Thank you everyone. Talk to you soon.

SPEAKER_01 19:14

If you got a poster at the show, or you like the show, or you have anything you wanted to you know contribute or say, you can always reach out to us via email at tenfreeposters podcast at gmail.com. As well, you can find me on uh social media under the handle Jerem's Drawings. This has been Ten Free Posters with Jerem and Jay. Conversations after the show. Thanks for listening, and we look forward to more conversations.